Getting CS5? Poll

[kiwicolin]

Will you upgrade to Photoshop CS5?

[rAyVoLvEz]

Yes getting it. Getting Design Premium Suite most probably. Or the web premium suite, whichever available first.

Earliest arrival (box version) into my little island in June 2010, I will be pre-ordering if necessary.

Getting the suite is no sweat at my heavily subsidised Educator's pricing :)

[mkeefe]

Already got it, loving it... as usual. :)

Matt

[cavey]

Would love to...but can't justify paying that much money for a hobby. Even after I lost my CS4!

[mixedupmacandpc]

Got it, not impressed at all. won't install on my iMac, but did install on my MBP. The only thing I see worth talking about so far is content aware fill, which works well and is a nice reason to have upgraded. But that's it. Adobe's dependence on Air for installation and updates is just a disaster on my machines...and the use of flash is, well, just a joke.

But the biggest disappointment is probably not with Adobe, but with all the plugin vendors. Where are the 64-bit versions? Another wait and upgrade scam in progress here. Now I have to run in 32-bit mode on a slower machine...not the happy upgrade experience that I anticipated (well, I did not really expect one, but just wished for one).

One of these years I hope to see another option on the market, something like a Super Gimp, with all the PS features...then it's bye bye Adobe and to insane upgrade prices every 12 to 16 months.
:mad:


[Edited on 5/3/2010 by mixedupmacandpc]

[TheDoc]

Whole office is going from CS3 to CS5, excited!

[Hermie]

Just bought the update CS to CS4, so no i skip one or two..... Just hobby.

Got a few things on my wishing list (see below) before i buy a new update! (Yes McKeefe i update.... :D)

1. Sigma 150-500 f/5-6.3 DG OS HSM
2. Canon PIXMA Pro9000 Mark II

[mkeefe]

Originally posted by mixedupmacandpc
Adobe's dependence on Air for installation and updates is just a disaster on my machines...and the use of flash is, well, just a joke.
[Edited on 5/3/2010 by mixedupmacandpc]

I didn't see AIR for install/update? Unless you mean the AIR installer (for AIR runtime).. which I am glad is packaged, makes my job useful. What good is building an app if no one can see the damn thing?!

Flash is okay, just like alcohol, when used in moderation.

Matt

[mixedupmacandpc]

Originally posted by mkeefe

Originally posted by mixedupmacandpc
Adobe's dependence on Air for installation and updates is just a disaster on my machines...and the use of flash is, well, just a joke.
[Edited on 5/3/2010 by mixedupmacandpc]

I didn't see AIR for install/update? Unless you mean the AIR installer (for AIR runtime).. which I am glad is packaged, makes my job useful. What good is building an app if no one can see the damn thing?!

Flash is okay, just like alcohol, when used in moderation.

Matt

Some apps built are better left unseen, as is the case with the air/flash Adobe Support Adviser, which is a big fail on many counts
:o
But maybe it's just my machines...dunno. I have an iMac that is defying even Adobe Support and now I am looking at Apple for help, just to make the upgrade.

But on Air/flash apps, the idea of badly coded windows-looking applications popping up on my apple desktops instills no confidence in a megacompany that can do a lot better, but what, they are just lazy?

Jobs is right. They need to stop flash before it pollutes everything, including my Applications folder.

[mkeefe]

Jobs is coo coo

I believe thats what you meant.. he is off his freaking rocker. Flash is fine, obviously with near 99% adoption something must be working...

but anyways... back on topic. :)

[mixedupmacandpc]

yes, back on topic:)

CS5 now has 3 things in my mind that might be worth the bucks:

1. content aware fill - fantastic

2. puppet warp - warp with usability? I like it. Could have been in a point release.

3. brush presets, my tablet (after 3 years) FINALLY works right, without jumping through any hoops it just does what it is supposed to, with pen pressure, stroke, etc. It's more like Corel Painter now. Also could have been in a point release.

Wife is already using 1&2 above and editing old photos where her thigh looked too big and where I was in the frame fracking up the scene. She's going to town...more power to her.

But for me #3 is big. Is it an entire CS bump in my mind, no...more like a point release with just a few new features.

Also, 3D seems to work better. Maybe it's the 64 bit. But wait, gotta switch back to 32 bit to use a filter on any rasterized 3D layer. oh boy, this is fun...not. Was going to calculate the total upgrade cost including plugins, but I don't think the plug mfgs have figured that out yet.

[mixedupmacandpc]

Originally posted by mkeefe

Jobs is coo coo

I believe thats what you meant.. he is off his freaking rocker. Flash is fine, obviously with near 99% adoption something must be working...

but anyways... back on topic. :)

:=offtopic:
ha! that's funny. He must be a mad genius then. But I agree, flash is great, just keep it outta my application folder, and just put it on my iphone and future iPad. If it runs just like Farmville, so what, fix the hardware and provide a free update. At least make my morning paper readable!

[PNeal]

Oh I want it!
I've been trying to figure out a way to upgrade to the Master Collection... But, life has gotten in the way again :(
Doesn't look like I'll be upgrading this time around.

[kiwicolin]

Mixedup (Or should I say Apple fanboy? LOL I have 6 Macs, iPhone and iPad)..:lol :lol

I think I lot of the plugin manufacturers will be releasing free updates. I noticed that RedGiant have started to do that for their After Effects Plugins and some of the photoshop developers are doing the same.

Its no different than when anything changes such as Apples OSX or Windows 7. It takes 3rd party developers a little longer to catch up because they are usually on more limited resources.

[mixedupmacandpc]

Originally posted by kiwicolin
Mixedup (Or should I say Apple fanboy? LOL I have 6 Macs, iPhone and iPad)..:lol :lol

I think I lot of the plugin manufacturers will be releasing free updates. I noticed that RedGiant have started to do that for their After Effects Plugins and some of the photoshop developers are doing the same.

Its no different than when anything changes such as Apples OSX or Windows 7. It takes 3rd party developers a little longer to catch up because they are usually on more limited resources.

You could call me that :lol -- In regards to the upgrade tax:

Here is what RG is going to:
All products purchased on or after April 12, 2010 qualify for FREE 64-bit updates (Adobe CS5 compatible) as soon as they are available. Customers that purchased products prior to April 12, 2010 and choose to add 64-bit compatibility will need to pay for upgrades. Note: Trapcode Particular 2, Magic Bullet PhotoLooks, and Knoll Light Factory for Photoshop qualify for free upgrades.

Here is what Alien Skin is going to do:
Exposure 3 and Bokeh 2 are almost done and will be 64-bit on both platforms. Exposure 3 will ship in June and Bokeh 2 will be about two months after that. Since these are major version upgrades with lots of useful new features, we will be charging for them, $99 each. Free upgrades will be sent to people who purchased Exposure 2 or Bokeh in April 2010 or later. Our other products will get free 64-bit and panel updates as quickly as we can do them.

Here is what Nik is going to do:
Nik Software is currently evaluating 64-bit compatibility; however, at this time we do not have any information on when our products will become fully 64-bit compatible.

Other vendors are less clear, like AKVIS, Topaz, Imagenomic, etc. but I think some of those plugs may already be 64bit, not sure. I have not kept up with all the junk mail I get from all these guys.

But it's clear to me that you need a spreadsheet to determine the total cost of Master Suite when you factor in all the plugin updates, and to know when a complete system will be available again.

But for now, I guess it's switching back and forth between 32bit and 64bit depending on what filter we want to use.
:o:o:o
cheers,
coocooforAPPLEpuffs



[Edited on 5/4/2010 by mixedupmacandpc]

[mixedupmacandpc]

Originally posted by kiwicolin
Will you upgrade to Photoshop CS5?

Kiwi, u wanna start a poll for the other apps, like DW? I will do, but perhaps a poll for each one might be interesting. I am in the middle of testing DW for production, and would be interested in what others think.

[amerianna]

doubtful.... i want the master suite collection.... sigh...(drools) i bought Cs4 at the beginning of this year and i have only started using the wonderful features.... so i don't think so at least not yet anyway... (a little to pricey for my blood to begin with)

[mixedupmacandpc]

@americanna, CS4 extended is a rock solid tool. CS5 adds a few features/improvements but inmo is not worth the price of an upgrade (although we did). Adobe really needs to re-access it's pricing structure...but perhaps they never will as long as corps/smallbiz keep paying and there is no (real) alternative that costs less for them to choose from.

[Hermie]

Origineel gepost door mixedupmacandpc
@americanna, CS4 extended is a rock solid tool. CS5 adds a few features/improvements but inmo is not worth the price of an upgrade (although we did). Adobe really needs to re-access it's pricing structure...but perhaps they never will as long as corps/smallbiz keep paying and there is no (real) alternative that costs less for them to choose from.

gimp? :lol

What to think of ACDSee..... It is almost the same as photoshop but doesn't hold much futures like photoshop has. :lol

Let's vote for GIMP?

[mixedupmacandpc]

Originally posted by Hermie

Origineel gepost door mixedupmacandpc
@americanna, CS4 extended is a rock solid tool. CS5 adds a few features/improvements but inmo is not worth the price of an upgrade (although we did). Adobe really needs to re-access it's pricing structure...but perhaps they never will as long as corps/smallbiz keep paying and there is no (real) alternative that costs less for them to choose from.

gimp? :lol

What to think of ACDSee..... It is almost the same as photoshop but doesn't hold much futures like photoshop has. :lol

Let's vote for GIMP?

Hermie, that may not be as ridiculous as it sounds...anyone serious about trying should read this page for starters:
http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/04/03/8-handy-tweaks-to-make-gimp-replace-photoshop/
BUT, I tested gimp all gimped out like this, and it was incompatible with so many workflows, I just gave up. It's a bit buggy in OSX, and the files don't play well with Apple software that supports the PSD format. However, I was hoping...I seriously investigated cobbling together a suite of opensource or lowcost software to replace master suite, but got frustrated and lost interest quickly. But Hermie, you being Dutch and all u probably could do well in this regard
:lol
For example, something like Lineform (http://www.freeverse.com/mac/product/?id=6020) could replace illustrator, and Scribus (http://www.scribus.net/) to replace InDesign, and heck, iMovie to replace PremierePro. No clue on what would replace FLASH, but iWeb is just as good as Dreamweaver, or heck just use BBEDIT and be a man.
:D
However, we decided to just bite the Adobe bullet one more CS, and go for another outrageous round of upgrade prices, mostly because we have done so for a decade or more.

[kiwicolin]

Originally posted by mixedupmacandpc
iMovie to replace PremierePro.
iWeb is just as good as Dreamweaver

OK, now I know your smoking something :LOL

Premiere Pro Smokes Final Cut Pro right now, for get iMovie (How many Tapeless formats can FCP open and play without logging or rendering... ummm none. PP CS5 does all of them including RED)

iWeb isn't even worth mentioning, the mess that they call code! LOL. It isn't even a serious hobbyist app.
(sorry)

[mixedupmacandpc]

Originally posted by kiwicolin

Originally posted by mixedupmacandpc
iMovie to replace PremierePro.
iWeb is just as good as Dreamweaver

OK, now I know your smoking something :LOL

Premiere Pro Smokes Final Cut Pro right now, for get iMovie (How many Tapeless formats can FCP open and play without logging or rendering... ummm none. PP CS5 does all of them including RED)

iWeb isn't even worth mentioning, the mess that they call code! LOL. It isn't even a serious hobbyist app.
(sorry)

We get the best organic all natural weed in the world in Nepal, but what I was trying to point out, there are no real alternatives to Adobe suites for folks that create media for a living, but there are other ways. I love iWeb for brochure sites, and just finished qualifying DreamBloater for our lan...If you just want to create a simple website, u would be insane to do it anything BUT iweb. But ur right about iMovie though, that was more of a joke...but for me, the jury is not in on Premiere, although after I get done testing InDesign, that's the next one I throw on the block. We use it primarily to CONVERT broken PPro projects into FCP ones for client; we did 6 last year. I hear CS5 will make our job easier this year
:)
coocoo


[Edited on 5/5/2010 by mixedupmacandpc]

[mixedupmacandpc]

@ Hermie, this one is for u: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/qnZeELNi-xw/GIMP-Resynth-vs-Photoshop-Content-Aware
Lots of PS bashing and Linux fondling...

[kiwicolin]

Maybe I missed something with iWeb, but last time I tried to help someone fix a broken site, the code was totally over bloated and the file size of the size was 2-3 times as a comparable site in DW. SEO was almost non existent, it was impossible to edit the site by the code. It was also limited as far as customizing with 3rd party scripts etc. I wouldn't recommend anyone use it.. worse than Front Page IMO.

Now, I will agree, I'm not thrilled with the way that Adobe's ruined DW lately either. It's beauty was in it's simplicity.

[mixedupmacandpc]

Kiwi, u might give iWeb another look. I've done a few sites lately:
http://www.stopanimalsacrifice.org/
http://www.nepaldogtraining.com/
http://www.elephantcentre.org/
and a bunch more like that. Nothing to write home about, but they get the job done. You can edit the code no problem if needed, even add in snippets of code so you can customize with your own scripts and whatnot, no problem at all. What I like is it's simplicity and integration with aperture, itunes, all of that apple stuff. Publishing to mobileme is painless as well. I've also started to use both DW and iWeb on sites, like:
www.animalnepal.org
which uses DW for everything but the media galleries; iWeb can quickly create photo galleries without having to find/customize a script.
I grabbed an ebook about iweb on this site:
http://iwebfaq.org/
that has all kinds of tips and tricks that make iWeb a competitor with DW...but inmo, only for quick sites that need to be turned around in a few hours instead of days.
Cheers!
coocoo

[Edited on 5/5/2010 by mixedupmacandpc]

[Edited on 5/10/2010 by mixedupmacandpc]

[Cappy]

And so the tech heads continue.
Discuss all you want, and it is a good thing, really!
The final result, or should I say question, is:
Does the software enable the designer/developer to save its customer money by saving time/quality by existance?
Is it an EGO thingie between the creatives?
Does it enable the "Creative" individual to extend their creativity and make them superior in their field?
Is it like the Weather, giving us all something to talk about?

To me it is a distraction in the biggest way. I can understand how this enables "some" of "you" to fast forward into your work. Maybe marketing the tools is enabling in itself, or you work in a big enough organization that you can afford the time to grow this technology.

Selfishly, I need to stay on track and continue on with what I know and am comfortable with. When you work alone and cannot afford an accountant, lawyer, etc. and have to do those things myself, it gets overwhelming. So you just stumble along and hope you can upgrade and not fall too far behind.

This is where, thanks to creatives like Colin, Mkeefe, Cfire, Fotodog and others that are so important to this forum come into play.
Let the upgrades fly and use your knowledge and the knowledge of others mentioned to decide intelligently when the "right" time to upgrade out of your comfort zone comes into play.

CS5? Hmmmmmmmmm!

[mixedupmacandpc]

And the answer is....#1...oh, and #2...and #3 (why else would we be here)...and all of the above! good one Cappy.

[mixedupmacandpc]

btw, I see multipage thread over the splashscreen/icon design?!? I'm shocked it's not even mentioned. As cappy noted, has the weather taken over the conversation?

[PNeal]

I broke down last night and ordered CS5 (Web Premium).
Can't afford it, but did it anyway. My wife says it had better pay for itself... :o